By Mark GonzalesInitial trade talks involving the White Sox, San Diego and the Los Angeles Angels would send Padres left-handed-hitting first baseman Adrian Gonzalez to the Sox, first baseman Paul Konerko to the Angels and prospects to the Padres, SoxNet.net reported today.
Sox general manager Ken Williams has made no secret of his quest for a left-handed hitter, and a team source acknowledged last month that the club has had interest in Gonzalez in previous years.
But the complexity of such a deal requires close examination, and SoxNet.net emphasized that discussions were in the early stages.
First, Gonzalez, 27, will earn "only" $4.75 million in 2010, with a club option for $5.5 million in 2011. He will command a huge extension, given that he has hit 130 home runs and driven in 400 runs over his past four seasons, in addition to winning a 2009 National League Gold Glove for his defense.
His ability to hit with power to all fields makes him an attractive fit at U.S. Cellular Field.
Konerko, 33, enters the final year of his contract with full no-trade rights. The only two teams he likely would waive those rights for are Arizona (where he resides in the offseason) and the Angels, with Anaheim being a one-hour flight from his North Scottsdale home. He also would be reunited with Angels manager Mike Scioscia, whom he has known since his days in the Los Angeles Dodgers' organization.
Konerko also would provide the Angels with insurance as the designated hitter if Vladimir Guerrero leaves for free agency.
The money issues of the Padres, who unloaded about $56 million late last July when they dealt pitcher Jake Peavy to the Sox, are well-documented. And they must commit soon either to re-signing Gonzalez, a San Diego native, or trading him. Gonzalez told reporters last week that he is in a win-win situation, but immediate success for the Padres might come only if he's traded soon.
Meanwhile, trading Konerko and his $12 million salary would give the Sox some financial flexibility for 2010.
The Padres are familiar with the Sox's prospects, especially after scouring their farm system before acquiring four young pitchers in exchange for Peavy.
But here are some reasons why such a trade could be difficult to pull off. First, the Padres would be seeking four top-notch prospects at pitcher, center field, catcher and second base for a player of Gonzalez's caliber.
The Sox have touted pitcher Daniel Hudson, outfielder Jordan Danks and catcher Tyler Flowers as core players of their future. All three players could make the Sox's 2010 opening-day roster, but trading all three would be a significant hit to the Sox's development unless other young players accelerate their progress.
The Angels, known for their farm-system success, could aid the Sox, but wouldn't be required to pick up the bulk of the cost for such a proposed deal.
Although Konerko nearly signed with the Angels four years ago and maintains mutual respect with Scioscia, a major-league scout who follows all three Southern California organizations said the Angels have depth in their organization should they lose Guerrero and wouldn't have to pursue Konerko.
Juan Rivera could move from the outfield to DH. The Angels still have Gary Matthews Jr., who will earn about $23 million over the next two years as a part-time player.
Finally, new Padres general manager Jed Hoyer was an assistant for four years at Boston, which reportedly has interest in Gonzalez. The Padres and Red Sox have done business in the past, and Hoyer is very familiar with the Red Sox's deep farm system.
Hoyer has a daunting task of rebuilding a franchise that has lost 186 games over the past two seasons. So if he inevitably trades his most valuable bargaining chip, he will make sure to get his price -- which will be steep.
Konerko, 33, enters the final year of his contract with full no-trade rights. The only two teams he likely would waive those rights for are Arizona (where he resides in the offseason) and the Angels, with Anaheim being a one-hour flight from his North Scottsdale home. He also would be reunited with Angels manager Mike Scioscia, whom he has known since his days in the Los Angeles Dodgers' organization.
Konerko also would provide the Angels with insurance as the designated hitter if Vladimir Guerrero leaves for free agency.
The money issues of the Padres, who unloaded about $56 million late last July when they dealt pitcher Jake Peavy to the Sox, are well-documented. And they must commit soon either to re-signing Gonzalez, a San Diego native, or trading him. Gonzalez told reporters last week that he is in a win-win situation, but immediate success for the Padres might come only if he's traded soon.
Meanwhile, trading Konerko and his $12 million salary would give the Sox some financial flexibility for 2010.
The Padres are familiar with the Sox's prospects, especially after scouring their farm system before acquiring four young pitchers in exchange for Peavy.
But here are some reasons why such a trade could be difficult to pull off. First, the Padres would be seeking four top-notch prospects at pitcher, center field, catcher and second base for a player of Gonzalez's caliber.
The Sox have touted pitcher Daniel Hudson, outfielder Jordan Danks and catcher Tyler Flowers as core players of their future. All three players could make the Sox's 2010 opening-day roster, but trading all three would be a significant hit to the Sox's development unless other young players accelerate their progress.
The Angels, known for their farm-system success, could aid the Sox, but wouldn't be required to pick up the bulk of the cost for such a proposed deal.
Although Konerko nearly signed with the Angels four years ago and maintains mutual respect with Scioscia, a major-league scout who follows all three Southern California organizations said the Angels have depth in their organization should they lose Guerrero and wouldn't have to pursue Konerko.
Juan Rivera could move from the outfield to DH. The Angels still have Gary Matthews Jr., who will earn about $23 million over the next two years as a part-time player.
Finally, new Padres general manager Jed Hoyer was an assistant for four years at Boston, which reportedly has interest in Gonzalez. The Padres and Red Sox have done business in the past, and Hoyer is very familiar with the Red Sox's deep farm system.
Hoyer has a daunting task of rebuilding a franchise that has lost 186 games over the past two seasons. So if he inevitably trades his most valuable bargaining chip, he will make sure to get his price -- which will be steep.
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KWhater are you really the moron you appear to be? Are you really a clueless clod? All I read is your hateful stupid remarks about a trade that will never happen. No one will take your castoffs and at PK's age and habit of killing rallies with DP's that is mute he will be here until his contract ends. Players don't move to teams because they are friends with the manager. The Angels have been successful for the last 5 yrs why would they stop now? This teams best bet is to give the prospects a shot in the spring keeping a close eye on the Tampa Rays. If either Crawford or Upton becomes available thats the ticket. Rios will be fine with minor stance adjustments. Danks, Restovich, Morel, Viciendo and Flowers are the future out of the five if you find two you are good. This team will have a above average rotation with a need for a reliable bridge to Thornton and Jenks. 90% of MLB would be glad to have this type of problem
Hello Neuuuumann.
The only way a Cub fan could make me look like a fool would be to take me to a Cub game, fill me up with Old Style and photograph me at one of your klan rallies afterward.
WOLF FAN on November 18, 2009 12:50 PM
Hate Ken Williams you are a COMPLETE MORON.
BARK LIKE A D O G.... CUB FAN
And get a GOAT m a n u r e and clean up..
Jim Henry Cub fan.. fits this bill...
Do you understand?
Nada Surf wrote on November 17, 2009 10:12 PM
"What is living hell is that ultra-moronic Northside Neumann doing over here?"
I was coming over to make you look as stupid on this board as you do on the Cubs threads Nada...
But it looks like Nada Man beat me to the punch, so easy anyone can do it apparently.
So many GM's, so few jobs.
There are studs and there are potential future studs. Always trade the potential future studs if you can get a real stud. Remember in the last 20 years, all those can't miss pitchers we had in our minor leagues? Can't miss future centerfielders? Where are they now? Hall of Fame? Nope, out of baseball, minor leaguers for life, or mop up men.
If we got three minor league players the Padres will take for Gonzalez, do the trade.
Hate Ken Williams you are a COMPLETE MORON.
Real Sox fans hate Kenny Williams?? That's funny, I am a REAL sox fan and have been for over 40 years. Collectively, I have yet to meet a "REAL SOX FAN" that HATES Kenny Williams. We might not love every move the man makes, but we don't HATE him.
Hate Ken Williams said--"He has been on a quest to destroy the Sox since the world series." WHO DO YOU THINK BUILT THAT WORLD SERIES TEAM YOU MORON???
KW makes trades. Some are good, some are bad, some are great. KW built one World Series Champion and continues trying to build another one through drafts and trades. Rarely ever does he give up a player that bites him in the ASS.
Yes, we could have kept Rowand, but we wouldn't have had Thome. That was a great trade, which unfortunately didn't take us back to the WS. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't do it again.
Dye and Pods--who do you think brought them to Chicago?? Neither one is gone, both are free agents and still able to negotiate with the Sox. You don't have to rush out and do anything. The Sox have some leverage and can wait to sign one or both of them depending on how we do in trades. And, the longer the Sox wait on Dye, the cheaper the contract will be.
The Rios signing can either prove to be a brilliant steal or a Milton Bradley type of fiasco. Either way a few games in '09 is not enough to pass judgment. And you moron, Rios' salary cannot be dumped so cutting him now wouldn't help the Sox in anyway.
Hate Ken Williams said--"he keeps talking about creating a hole by trading Jenks" Oh really. I never hear KW talk about trading away players. Either you are ease-dropping on KW's cellphone calls or your are confusing media speculation with KW's actual intentions. Either way you are still a moron.
Hate Ken Williams said--Put Getz at short. Are you freakin stupid? You have two shortstops and you want to move a 2nd baseman to shortstop and play the two shortstops out of position???? How retarded can you possibly be? I can understand if you want to move Beckham to SS and Ramirez to Second--this would be natural. It can be debated, but both KW and Ozzie believe Ramirez is actually the better SS (with superior range) and Beckham will easily settle in at 2nd. But no one with a functioning brain in the head would advocate moving Getz to SS instead of Beckham and/or Ramirez.
The bottom line--everyone reading this should continue to go to as many Sox games as possible and BOYCOTT MORONS like "Hate Ken Williams"
Unless the Angels have a secret agenda to help the Sox get better they would never make this trade.
The angels wouldnt do this deal on their own because they dont want or have all the pieces to pull it off. The white sox just need one or two guys from them to have what the pads want
Why would the Angels just not trade straight up for a younger and better Gonzalez than let the Sox get him. Seems like a made up story to get people talking.
There's nothing wrong with that sentence, Nada Man.
I hit the S instead of the N for some reason.
I type lots of sentences for no pay on here.
I also type lots of sentences for pay.
You?
I'd like to see Gonzalez on the Sox, but I DON"T want to see the Sox trade away Jordan Danks, Daniel Hudson, and Tyler Flowers. Those 3 are all going to be contributing in the near future and I think for a long time. The Sox now have a nice young core (including Floyd and John Danks) and can keep Buerhle and Peavy for a few more years.
Let's focus on the bullpen first.
What is living hell is that ultra-moronic Northside Neumann doing over here?
What is living hell is that ultra-moronic Northside Neumann doing over here?
This is SO bogus ... I can't believe WSCR ran this non-story on their updates most of the day.
Slow news day kids?
I posted this last week on a Cubs thread, Kenny is stealing my idea's!!! At least the three way trade with the Angels and Padres part...
Neuman35 wrote (11/14/2009, 12:47 AM )
"[What the Cubs should do....
Offer Tyler Colvin (OF), Darwin Barney (IF) and Jay Jackson (RHP) to the Tigers for Granderson. This is a Detroit salary dump, three prospect should be enough to land him. If Detroit wants more they should have to start eating some salary as well.
Next trade Derrek Lee to the Angels, they are in need of another bat which is why they are inquiring about Granderson in the first place. The Angels would like to put Granderson in CF, Tori Hunter in RF and move Bobby Abreu to DH. If the Cubs were to beat out the Angels for Granderson offer them Lee while eating $2 million of his $13 million deal and ask for 1 top prospect and 2 mid-level prospects. Lee would probably wave his no trade clause to move back to SoCal. Lee at $11 million is $4 million less than what Vlad was earning last year, he's also a better bat than Vlad and he can still back up at a key position, which Vlad can't anymore.
While talking to the Angels contact Kevin Towers and the Padres and ask what Adrian Gonzalez is going to cost. Let Towers help narrow down the prospects the Cubs would receive from the Angels since they'll be his. Then offer Josh Vitters, Samardzija and Wellington Castillo. 3 high level and 3 mid level prospect is more than the Indians got for Cliff Lee, I think this might get it done.]"
^Obviously Kevin Towers is no longer the Padres GM, Oops...
If the Cubs were interested, and if they're not Hendry should be shot, it would seem the Cubs have more to offer both teams over the Sox. Lee is better than Konerko and Vlad at this point in their career's. Plus the Cubs have a deeper farm system after the Sox moved all those prospects for Peavy. Any team that trades for him is obviously going to tear up his current contract and try to extend it for multiple years at a reasonable escalating salary.
man why are so many whitesox fans so negative!
i hope we get agon it would be a steal!
Brando you appearently arent a true sox fan an obviously do not understand baseball or the finances in baseball. Konerko yes will cost $12 million on his final year but how stupid are you to say trade Konerko and 3 of the sox top prospects which are considered the sox future starting line up? You must drink the same idiot kool aide kenny does and probably liked the Rios pickup and thought running Thomas and Dye out of town were great moves. Kenny is a classless fool who blamed the fans for the budget reduction when he alienated the real fans and built a crap team with stupid overpriced garbage. Go to a little league fiel learn the basics and come back when you know the ball from the bat
This is absolute stupidity.
First of all, who wants Konerko at $12M / yr. That truely isn't much different than Bradley, because Bradley is a better hitter than Paulie, no matter what garbage you hear from Hawk.
Second, the sox farm is decimated. They have basically no where near the resources to pull this off. No one, except 'possibly' Hudson, is any where near ready for MLB.
This is a publicity stunt to keep the sox in the news and sell season tickets for next year. Why would the Angels give a boat load of prospects for Konerko, when they can get Gonzalez themselves and get a better hitter and much better fielder, who is six years younger, and save $6 million in the process?
Let’s all mock this trade rumor
November 17th, 2009, 7:45 am by Sam Miller, The Orange County Register
A site called SoxNet.net says it has learned that initial trade discussions have taken place involving the Angels, Adrian Gonzalez, and an aging 1B with a bloated contract. Guess which one the Angels would get!
Seriously, this rumor makes very little sense, we all know it, we hardly need to discuss it, but in short: The claim is that the Angels would get Paul Konerko, send some prospects to San Diego, while the White Sox would get Adrian Gonzalez, and send some other prospects to San Diego. Assuming the “prospect” the Angels are sending away isn’t Gary Matthews, Jr: Why the Angels would take on Konerko when they have Kendry Morales at first base is unclear. Why they would prefer Konerko — who gets $12 million in 2010, the last year of his deal — over any of the other aging designated hitters in a crowded free agent pool is also unclear. Why they would prefer him over a less-expensive Guerrero in particular, with the resulting public relations hit they would take, is unclear. Why they would help the White Sox land the best player available this winter, instead of pursuing him themselves, is unclear. Why they would need to throw in prospects to give the White Sox salary relief is unclear. Why a team with no salary flexibility and a mediocre farm system would be able to land the best player available is unclear. Why Tony Reagins would have been replaced in the Angels’ front office by Tommy from South Side (”long time, first time“) is unclear.
SoxNet doesn’t claim the deal is imminent, and gives us plenty of disclaimers (”Also remember that GMs, especially Williams, are always talking and discussing deals. … doesn’t mean a deal will get done) to keep us from taking it seriously. Done!
I think that this would be a great trade for the ChiSox. We really need someone to make up for Konerko's as-of-late hitting mistakes. I personally think it really could happen because the White Sox seem to be cleaning house and the Angels have wanted Konerko for along time now. They already have huge hitters on the team, Konerko would just make everything they already have solid. As for Gonzalez, going to Chicago would be huge for him and the ball club. The White Sox are already aiming for the playoffs with all of their new acquisitions (Teahen and Peavy) so Gonzalez would be stupid to not go to a team with very high playoff chances. Gonzalez would be a perfect fit in Chicago.
Konerko,age 34 makes $12M next year,an injury waiting to happen,would be the permanent DH on the Angels. That means Abreu would have to play the outfield almost everyday.
The Angels give salary relief to the White Sox so they can receive one of the best offensive players in the game, plus throw in some prospects to boot? Yeah right..
Sounds like the fever dream of a Chicago sportswriter.
As for the "Hate Kenny Williams" guy, if you feel that strongly about it, STAY OUT OF WHITE SOX BUSINESS. The Sox picking up Adrian Gonzalez for Paul Kornerko, Daniel Hudson,Jordan Danks, and whatever else the Angles can offer;is adeal you make 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.You have to be baseball-challenged to not understand that obtainning a 27-year old Left-Handed power hitter who also hits for average for an aging, slow DH is a bad move. God bless Kenny Williams, he's one of two or three GM's that know what he's doing.
Fantasy dork...
I would say you are the most appropriately-named person on here!
1000taters,
you DO know that adrian gonzalez played for the padres right? no matter how bad the white sox's on base percentage may be, you can't be worse than the hitter they had in san diego, and the ballpark they had in san diego. IN addition, he had absolutely no protection behind him either. he still bonked 40 homeruns in the cavern with 99 RBIs.
Finally, his home-away splits are:
Home: .244 BA, 12 HR, 36 RBI
Away: .306 BA, 28 HR, 63 RBI
And it would not be a stretch to assume that he could duplicate the Away stats at home, because the "Away" stats represent every other ballpark in the MLB(the reverse would not work). And put in the trend in the MLB that hitters generally perform better at home, with more runners in front of him, not having to deal with pitchers throwing around him always.
It would not surprise me to see around a .310 BA with 55-60 HRs and 130 RBI. His stats having been improving steadily one year to the next, and probably won't improve much more, but this season could be that "ceiling" season.
I really really hate Kenny Williams as do almost all true Sox Fans I talk with whether strangers or people I know. Cant we trade him or fire him for being such an idiot? He has been on a quest to destroy the Sox since the world series. Having him in control of the Sox is almost as bad as Obama in control of the country 2 dummies with a check book and no brains.If this trade happens Im done with the Sox until Kenny is fired.We could have kept Rowand at a decent offer and had good years of ball but no he let it go for no reason. He goes out and signs that piece of crap Rios for way more then he will be worth or put out, he doesnt jump on bringing Pods back after what he gave the sox, he doesnt resign Dye who wanted badly to stay on the cheap and gives you a great bat with serviceable outfiled time, he keeps talking about creating a hole by trading Jenks who is a very solid cheap closer which is hard to find and then he takes Beckham from 3rd where he was just settled in and moves him to second where Alexi should be.. I mean how stupid is this man???He is not even going after people to fill the holes he made last season and now he wants to make more.....You have to dump Rios anyway possible that contract and his play are killing the team... You bring Pods back and he solves the lead off hitter issue and can play part time left field with Quinten and Quintein can part time DH. You bring Dye back on a cheap 2 year contract and he plays right and part time DH. You have Kotsay who can DH come off the bench or play first for Paulie. Your going to need a center fielder so Id dump Rios get Rowand back on a cheaper 2-3 year deal until Danks comes up and earns an outfield spot from Dye or Rowand. Now you have short cheap contracts with room to work. You have to get another setup man/ midle reliever its a must. Your looking for a 5th starter which Garland would fit perfect ad eat innings. I dont count on Freddy and Hudson is a work in progress with good hopes. Put Beckham back at 3rd put Alexi at 2nd and I would have said Getz at short unless a decent short stop could be found. Dumping Konerko, Dye, Jenks,Pods,Getz, and future picks equals a crap team for a decade and only a baseball idiot would do this and thats Kenny Williams the White Sox Killer....Boycott the sox until they fire this idiot!!!
This is the only place that the rumor has been reported, there are no other sites picking up on this, makes me think that its not even true. Plus just by looking at what the padres are asking for Adrian, I dont think the sox have enough to give. Even if this deal goes through, the sox dont have the personel to make it to the WS, with teams like the bosox and yankees buying their way to championships, this will make it a great but dissapointing acquisition.
This would also be a great deal for the Sox: Jenks AND Linebrink in exchange for NOTHING.
This would free up another $10 mil or so to upgrade the pen.
Jenks is still a solid closer and a team would want him. But they'd have to take Linebrink as well in order to not have to give up a player in return.
This would be a TREMENDOUS trade for the White Sox to make: Konerko to the Angels in exchange for NOTHING.
It would free the Sox $12 million in cap space to upgrade other positions and while and they would EASILY replace the 28 homers and soft 88 RBI Konerko put up last season.
Done deal for me Konerko is done after this year AG will get more in return when trading him in a year or two if you cant resign him. Angels are involved bc Konerko has them and Diamondbacks as only two team to waive his no trade clause. Give Paulie and good send off to the Angels and finish his career there he only has a few years left.
I won a lot of money in rotisserie baseball with the style of not overspending on any players, letting the big guns --initially-- go to other teams and making sure I filled out an entire roster with no ineffective players and all players that contributed positively.
I kinda wish the Sox would go more to this style of building a team.
While Gonzalez would hit 45-50 homers at The Cell and and possibly bring in crowds, the Sox would have to give up considerable talent, including Hudson and Jordan Danks, while at the same time leaving the team with heavy negatives in the bullpen and less money to upgrade.
If Gonzalez played CF or SS and put up those numbers, I'd say make a deal. However, he plays a position where it's the EASIEST to find a guy with power and at a cheap rate. Fields would have hit 25 homers for under a million. Viciedo, maybe. They'd more than get by with Kotsay...Even Nix could shift to 1B or a platoon of all.
The Sox don't need to make a major splash right now. With the starting rotation they currently have, one or two top set-up men in the bullpen might be all they need to make it to the Series again.
This trade really doesn't interest me. With Pods and Getz gone, the Sox really need some speed. Without it, it will be another long season of disappointment.
cst_sox: Sun-Times first reported the Sox were interested in Adrian
Gonzalez back on Oct. 6, and was informed by the club couldn't happen.
cst_sox: Then some site called SoxNet.net - written in the basement of
a trekkie turned blogger - jumps on the pile late with no sources.
cst_sox: The sad part? Poor Gonzo is told by his dictator SE to give
validity to a blog on their own website like it's to be taken
seriously.
cst_sox: Dan McGrath wouldn't have allowed this ... maybe that's why
the dictator had him escorted off the premises. Stay hot Trib - and
SoxNet.
cst_sox: In other news "Carlheartscubs'' has learned that Bradley is a
problem. Paul Sullivan to write a full follow-up this afternoon. Can't
wait.
"KW has all but decimated the '05 squad with his many "moves" starting with Rowand and working his way down through '09."
?????????
Um, who on the "05 squad" would you want on this team that isn't already on it?
I'm trying to figure out what the Angels give up in this deal, and why they'd include them in the deal if indeed, as the writer speculates, the Padres want more White Sox prospects?
Isn't it possible the Padres aren't interested in whatever the Sox have offered for A-Gon (especially since the "scoured the farm system" for the Peavy deal) and have more interest in the Angels' prospects -- otherwise, why wouldn't the Sox just deal Hudson, Jordan Danks and whoever else for A-Gon straight up?
There's got to be a reason for including the Angels, otherwise, we're just giving Konerko to LA, and they're giving up nothing.
The way this article's written, I think, misses that possibility...
Unless, of course, I'm off in my thinking...maybe I'm just hopeful that we don't overpay for a player again (however awesome A-Gon would be...he has a price, and I'm worried we'll overpay anyway...it's happened before).
1000taters, you do know he has played for the Padres for years right? The numbers he has put up in San Diego translate very very favorably to any other place in baseball. On an even plain, this guy is as good as anyone besides Pujols.
What kind of mushrooms are in your coffee???
Hey Nada Surf:
Juan Rivera better than Paul Konerko? How do you figure that? Konerko was better than Rivera in every offensive category last year except BA.
Konerko: .277BA; 28HR; 88RBI; 75R; .353SLG
Rivera: .287BA; 25HR; 88RBI; 72R; .332SLG
Pretty similiar numbers except you'd have to look at the lineup differences between the two teams. If Konerko hit in the Angels lineup, which is far superior to the White Sox, you'd have to assume (by using simple logic) his numbers would be even better. Kendry Morales is certainly better than either of them by a mile.
Wow! What kind of mushrooms are in your coffee? AG won't get the RBIs unless there are hitters who've made it "on base" ahead of him. Take a look - who is that gonna be? KW has all but decimated the '05 squad with his many "moves" starting with Rowand and working his way down through '09. It's like he feels he has to make trades to keep his job. Veeck ruined the '60 SOX and KW seems to be following in his footsteps. While AG makes the SOX younger what would be the long term costs? Hudson, Danks, Flowers (the "Future" SOX backstop)....are you kidding me? Anybody notice that AJP isn't getting any younger? What, we can let the future go for a disaster (Rios)? The SOX need to shed $$$? Why in heck did KW "grab" Rios if future money issues would be a problem? This team is becoming more of a Rod Serling nightmare than just a soap opera. Want a cheap left handed bat? Thome is available and probably for cheap to come back "home".
Jeff -
Maybe the Sox are thinking of bringing Garland back on the cheap as a 5th starter?
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I would be concerned about giving up Hudson. Are they thinking Garcia will be healthy and effective all year? Even if he is, it seems like the Sox need bullpen help. The fifth starter business last year cost the sox victories and taxed the pen. I wonder what Kenny is thinking of buying with the money from unloading Konerko?
I heard these rumors a week ago on ESPN 1000, although i don`t believe that Konerko was mentioned. I think that even at the cost of 2 of our top 3 prospects and Konerko that i would be pleased with the deal. I really feel that Hudson will be a big winner once he masters his slider or wipeout pitch and i would love to retain him the most but Adrian Gonzalez with the big bat and gold glove for 2 years and 10 million would be sweet.
If the Angels are in the hunt for Konerko, there must be some ulterior motive as the reason why--like he's pals with Scioscia or something...
Even with Guerrero gone, they'd have Kendry Morales at 1B and could move Juan Rivera to the DH; both are better than Konerko...
They also have solid OF prospects in the minors and could move Figgins to the OF if they wanted.
Should the Sox land Gonzalez (and this is the type of Kenny Williams deal we've seen in the past, Colon, Wells, Peavy), they'd probably have to unload a boatload of youngsters.
Look for Hudson and Jordan Danks to be gone.
But with Peavy, Buehrle, Danks and Floyd as your front four, you'd better go for a title and now would be the time to make that sort of a move.
Why are you wierdo white sox fans complaing? You might get a left hand 27 y/o 277-285 avg. 38-40 HR 110 rbi player he drew 119 walks last year.Again WHY ARE COMPLAING?? STFU
""Power from the left side" made the Sox a long ball team instead of a small ball team."
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The Sox were not a small ball team when they won the WS in 05. They just happened to have a couple of guys who might steal a base. Didn't they lead the majors in hrs that year? The Red Sox are the perfect example of a team that walks alot and doesn't steal a lot of bases, other than the last couple of years when Ellsbury and Pedroia came up. Their previous WS win didn't come as a result of speed. They mashed, and pitched well. For too long the Sox have had a station to station team that hits lots of homers, but doesn't necessarily consistently score runs. IMO, its an organizational philosophy as much as anything. The Angels teach their guys in the minors to go first to third. The Red Sox team their guys to work the pitcher.
Isn't Doug Masters just a sweetheart?
Cory,
Thanks for your perspective. Go back to Spin with your boyfriends instead leaving the online world with your awful baseball input. "Speed and defense" -- well anyone with two brain cells that actually communicated together would know that Adrian Gonzalez won the Gold Glove at 1st base the last two seasons. Go cheer for you fudge Packers and keep your bogus comments to yourself.
With Kendry Morales showing that he can be a well above average 1B, Konerko would more than likely be Vlad Guerrero's replacement. The Angels would more than likely be looking for young pitching from the Sox, and would give up young bats to SD. Just a thought
San Diego Padres = White Sox AAAA Team
Come on people! Why is Kenny Williams so obsessed with bringing in left handed hitters. Let's fix the issues that we have had since we got rid of Aaron Rowand for another left handed hitter in Jim Thome. "Power from the left side" made the Sox a long ball team instead of a small ball team. People, it's not going to get any better if we keep making deals like this. We have problems with defense, Gonzales won't magically make us a team to reckon with. What is everyone smoking? Speed and defense! That's how you win championships if you aren't able to buy them.
would love to get A-Gon here but, is it likely to happen? as the other guy said, why wouldn't the angels rather have a-gon instead of konerko? i'd love it to happen, but, probably won't....
Wow if the sox get him they will be a force to be reckoned with next year.Gonazalez is a low key great player.
Hey Mark
Very good article. As the author of the SoxNet story and a person familiar with what we were told I think your article is pretty spot on.
I think it is important to understand that prelim discussions do not make a trade imminent and I really agree with the points you bring up which could ultimately end up being the sticking point of the deal.
The question to me is whether Kenny and Jerry think that Adrian Gonzalez and the financial wiggle room aided by moving Konerko would be enough to put the Sox over the top and allow them to win/contend for a series the next two years?
If that answer is yes, than it might very well be worth moving Danks/Flowers/Hudson/Konerko for Gonzalez because at the end of the day, Gonzalez will only be here for 2 years as after that he will be getting a contract in the neighborhood of 15-20M a year.
I do think that Gonzalez is a great fit and the Sox ultimately have a lot of the potential parts which could make a deal between the two teams a reality.
Great piece Mark!
This makes absolutely no sense. If LAA had the prospects alone to satisfy the Padres for AGon, why wouldn't they take AGon instead of Konerko? Shot down...
I didn't see any Adrian Gonzalez rumors on the radar and I"m actually floored by these...
I really can't stand watching Gonzalez hit--he's all-or-nothing.
But if the Sox are going to get him for Konerko and little else, it would be a helluva deal.